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MichaelPuffer

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A libertarian lecture that happened in Harvard not too long ago.

Part 1: [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXUa1aXcIhw[/video]

Part 2: [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9i_xYQ7PAY[/video]

No matter if the libertarians were ever bit as genuine in helping America see a different positive way, it felt like they were endorsing the long dead Articles of Confederation and the lack of regulations of the 19th century. What I like about the Justice party is the idea of a strong government able to still promote state and individual rights.

What are your thoughts on this lecture? I thought that the opponents against the libertarians weren't the greatest. There were better things they could have argued about.



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Your right that they did not pick the best people to argue against Libertarianism.  The speaker did make sure to hand pick the brightest he could find for the Libertarian side though.

More and more I have come to recognize the Orwellian nature of Libertarian tactics.  They call a regressive sales tax the "Fair Tax".  They develop charts and questionnaires slanted to convince people they are one of them.  They coach people to "control the medium",  teaching what a great thing it is to negatively review books you have never read if they might have a different opinion.  Just steer people away from conflicting points of view.  As the lecturer hear carefully balances slanting the discussion in favor of one point of view while pretending to hold an open discourse.

The things they can spin are amazing.  Somehow those working for slave wages have enslaved the poor billionaires.  The workers are now the masters and the elite fat cats the slaves.  This is reality twisting at its finest.

Anyway if I were in the audience and would have been given the chance to speak, I would have outright rejected that taxation is slavery by rejecting the premise that money=labor.  They are not the same thing, and one does not always come from the other.  If given time then I would've gotten into people not achieving wealth in a vacuum, and the role of society in creating wealth.


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"The things they can spin are amazing.  Somehow those working for slave wages have enslaved the poor billionaires.  The workers are now the masters and the elite fat cats the slaves.  This is reality twisting at its finest."

I always thought that libertarianism, albeit indirectly, supports the idea that the workers are slaves to the corporate leaders because they can set the wages and safety standards however they want in their workplace and the governemnt can't do anything about it. This includes setting up wages that aren't livable at all and dangerous working conditions. 

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"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - Theodore Roosevelt
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There is a leftist contingent to the Libertarian Party. Believe they have a yahoo group. This contingent probably only encompasses 10%. The weakness of the Libertarian Party is in their economic theory. However, on many social issues, they do have a lot in common with liberals. An alliance I believe is possible to some degree although I do believe libertarians in my view belong in their own autonomous living zones due to their economic views.
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I agree Eric. Libertarians do share similar ideas when it comes to social issues. However, there are libertarians that will not be willing to work with us simply 'cause of our economic ideas are just too different.
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