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Ben Eastwood

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No Diff, my comment about ballot access was from the standpoint of one of the few states that actual managed to get Rocky on the ballot, in the 'easy' state, and then having to deal with folks from states that didn't even have him on the ballot at the moment getting into pie in the sky pipedreams about things as irrelevant as party colors, and fundraisers in venues that can seat 500, when I, just having gone through the ballot access wringer, had seen how hard it is, and was frustrated at the lasaiz faire attitude of those that hadn't managed to even reach the first bar of the process. 

  I never implied the party goals were ballot access, and indeed if you read my posts, I specifically stated that I see the issue as a log term issue that needs grass roots development.  That was one of the reasons that not only did I head up the VT initiative, but I also ran for state rep.  In the interim, we also had to sue the Sec. State (successfully) and I had to endure a second round of ballot access canvassing.  We were able to get it done in the end, but it was brutal. 

  You are correct, in that without a strong state level party infrastructure we will not be able to do this.  We need to be focusing on getting state reps, and city assemblymen into place and maybe run some midterm federal or statewide candidates, but if we don't have some sort of real structure by then, it will be a pointless struggle in 2016.  I certainly cannot afford to put my family through another ballot access drive without some sort of party infrastructure. 


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Now you're talking my kind of language.  Yeah, let's work together; much easier on all of us.

But keep in mind that not only do we need to get most people on board with a ballot or campaign drive, we also need to get as many people on board as possible agreeing to how, when, where, why, and who. 

I understand all too well, based on statements I have read here, that my approach is not the favored one.  Many people here would prefer to just throw the bomb (the hail mary) as far and as hard as possible and then pray to the gods of political inevitability that there is a receiver downfield to pick it off and run with it.   There is something to be said for that approach; what, I am not sure, but I am certain there must be an advantage to it, if nothing more than instant gratification to the QB getting the ball launched and into the air.  It will make things look like progress is happening.  (Even if no real progress is happening.  Sometimes it helps to fool the public a little, and maybe even ourselves.)

I will stubbornly stick to my traditional, planned, strategized approach, and hope that others will come around to support it.

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I think that we, as a party, need to take some time to brush up on the basics of politicking, and party structure, and the importance to the party to have candidates at all levels, and the importance to the candidates to have party support.  We need both, compelling candidates, but also a party that can get those candidates on the ballot, and support the campaign.  We need to have our ducks in a row, so that we have proper support for our street level operations.  As a party we need to KNOW the rules and deadlines for each state.  While it is understandable that there were issues, it is a start up, and folks were/are operating 'above paygrade', it will be inexcusable to repeat the same mistakes a second time.  I'm cautiously optimistic that this party can flourish, as long as we are willing to tend the roots.
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Awareness of deadlines and such is important.  But so is getting some solid candidates. I've seen some of the clowns that these smaller parties run:  They don't know what the issues are, they have no idea how to behave publicly, they are unprepared at debates and public appearances, and the list goes on and on.  You get people running on your ballot line because you don't have anyone of your own to put up, and all that does is deceive the public and muddle your own party's message.

These are just some of the reasons why we (or any smaller party) needs to be very CAREFUL how we go about doing politics.  It's not just a matter of getting petitions signed.  It's also a matter of protecting your hard-fought-for ballot line once you DO get one.  Don't underplay that point, either, please.  I have worked on such ballot access drives only to be very, very disappointed.

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