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metalmaster516

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I'm sure everyone saw the election results last night.  I don't think I need to tell you the challenges this party - and third parties in general - face.
I'll be blunt.  I work at a gas station.  I have a Political Science major, but I'm not a career politician, and I can't see the future.  But I think that the Justice Party needs a way forward beyond this election.
My two cents - I think we need to unite with other parties and movements in some form.  There's been some discussion of a sort of alliance with the Green Party, but I don't think that's going to be enough.  I think we need to get people who voted for Gary Johnson interested.
More importantly, I think we have to think differently than the Democrats and the Republicans.  They have a lot of funding and a big organization.  We don't.  If we try to plan this out like the Democrats and Republicans here, splitting hairs over (relatively) minor issues, we will lose to the Democrats and Republicans out there.
We could be a big force if we appeal to the people who decided not to vote.  A lot of those people live in states that went overwhelmingly for Obama or Romney.  I think we need to show people they have options.  We may need to get more involved at the local level.
That's my two cents.  Again, I'm not an expert, and I don't take disagreement personally, so if you guys have some beef with some of this, feel free to express it.  Anyone have any ideas on how we move forward from here?
barefootalways

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I do understand. The thing is we should not merge with anyone. We still need to keep our identity. How can we push our values and be separate when everyone else thinks like us we want to be the ones that think different that will help you with change. Everyone in America thinks the same there is not one person yet I have even heard or came across with any new ideas or viable ideas that work except on this board the 100 or so of us need to stay strong and come together and be a powerful force.

I am going to Law School for human rights and justice




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swansok4

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I dont know about merging. at the gut feeling level that doesnt seem like the right idea, but I am open to it if I hear convincing arguements.

I do think that a focus needs to be put on the local, county and state elections. Places like Western Washington and Oregon would love the message that this party is bringing. A legimate and well reasoned candidate running for a city or county council position could at least make it out of the primaries in somewhere like that.
JoshuaBudden

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I think we should look at alliances, not mergers.

I think getting people into local offices is key.  And very achievable.  There was a county near where I live that had noone file to run for county supervisor.  These are positions we must find and fill.  We must also recruit and run people that can win offices at the state level.

1st things 1st though. We need to form state parties and set a platform.
gb_518

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I agree with creating alliances and endorsing candidates from those parties that we are aligned with, on a case-by-case basis.  If there is a Independent, Green, Libertarian, Occupy, or whatever candidate who is going to address the issues of the Justice Party then I think we should support them.
CTJustice

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Hello, first post here. Hopefully won't be placing my foot in my mouth too deeply!

Like many here, I've come to the realization that switching between Democrats and Republicans every few years doesn't bring any real true ideas to the table. The Status Quo continues. We yearn to have our voices heard in an age where corporations and PACs have cut off the man and woman on the street. We yearn for sensibility in government and we are tired of labels.

So some of us explore alternatives. We use search engines, Wikipedia, listen to public radio and so on and found out there are other choices. We 'shop' around for a 3rd party that reflects our views and values. Most our so far on the fringe and probably no more than two guys in a basement. Some look to have potential. Sometimes, these parties seem to move beyond one guy's dream to great potential. An example is the Reform Party (aka from Ross Perot's era.) They self-imploded from what I recall.

I've visited this site as well as Mr. Anderson's only a few times before voting for Rocky. So I'm late to the game. In my state, CT, it seems like he got over 5,000 votes. That's a start so for the last few days, I feel optimistic.

If I coud be so bold, I'd like to list my bullet points on 'Moving Forward.' If some are already in the works, then I apologize! And if some are not in-line with the foundations of this party, I apologize as well.

* More work on the identity of the party and its improvement. You might call this branding. Just because we don't want to be republicans and democrats, doesn't mean we don't want to appear as good as them in the media. (That is the marketer in me.)
* Rocky should get to work on a Senatorial/Governor Campaign. This party needs a high profile figure head. Let it be him for now. (But refrain from the Perot effect.)
* There are independent Senators and Congressmen/women. A group should be formed and that group should work on convincing them that they should change their status from independent to Justice Party. People need to see the parties name again and again.
* Work should begin to revamp this website. There are too many broken sections. People need to have confidence in a party. (I work in the web world so I would like to assist)
* Talking about merges doesn't advance the cause. Let us sway other 3rd party groups to join us. For me, if the Green Party's message and branding have been around for so long, why have they failed to do more? So have confidence in our own party.
* We need to gather more information and post it on: how to get on the ballot, how to set up a local party, how to gather local people, etc. A step-by-step method to spread out. That should be on the main site. (is it?)
* Work should be done to reach out to Occupy Groups. These people have done a lot of networking both face to face and online. Much of what they hope for lives here. Some may not be interested in political parties but a dialog should be made. 
* We should research politicians that LOST this election. Find out who they are. Do their values match ours? Ask them about joining us and running again with us (assuming they aren't life time losers. lol)
* Using sites like Meetup.com should be utilized to start bringing people together. Use LinkedIn too. The more face to face meetings, the better.
* You who are savvy should go to local colleges and ask to speak in debate clubs or political clubs. Getting college students excited is key. And will build a future ground army.
* We should leverage technology and social media to the max. I saw a post some place here by someone who doesn't like that stuff. This doesn't mean to avoid human contact. But to embrace the way that young people are now socializing. Without that, this party will die in a few years and will just live on in WikiPedia. Is it possible to use sites like KickStarter for a massive fund raiser?
* Celebs lean towards democrats but some share our thinking. Approaching them could pay large dividends. In terms of exposure (via their FB and Twitter pages.) This includes noted musicians and scientists.
* The Skill List: This party needs to better find out who has what skill. Members need to be able to publish their skills so that groups can be formed. CPAs, lawyers, copy writers, marketers, staticians, PR people, programmers/designers and so on.
* Since many are working folk and we don't have massive funds, regional super meet-ups such be planned. I think flying from one cost to the other is beyond many people's means. And taking time off from work isn't always possible. But how many of you would drive 3 hours to meet 100s or 1000s of other Justice Party members?
* From these district super meetings a national meeting should take place. Sending our district representatives to the national meeting. Each district pays for their members to attend.

Finally, we have 2 years before next big election. Our goal is to do at least 3/4 of the above in two years. The clock starts NOW.

Sorry for my rambling.

Carlos

metalmaster516

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Thanks for the ideas, guys.  You're probably right in saying that a merger with other parties might not be too good.  Part of my thinking for that was that on some (not all, but some) issues, we DO have a lot in common with both the Greens and the Libertarians.
I definitely agree that we need to organize and reach out on a local and regional level.  If we wish to continue this thing, it won't happen overnight, and it's going to require people running on the Justice Party on a local, state, and ultimately, federal level.
CTJustice, I think you're on the right track with the outreach.  Being someone who was involved with Occupy myself for quiet a while, I am just going to warn you that Occupy is not going to endorse any one candidate.  We may, however, be able to convince many individual members to support the Justice Party in the future.
I'm new to the forums, so don't hang me just yet. 
barefootalways

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Carlos,

  You do have some good thoughts. However, we have to be careful to not utilize the mega rich like Hollywood because we don't want to be corrupted and hypocrites like the other parties. People will view the justice party as money and being bought like the two retail parties now. As a party we need to use each other as strength and try to spread the word by having community discussions or park events etc... I also don't think we should be aligned with Occupy even though "some" not all of them were really effective there were many who abused the cause and also were anarchist and right now the Gov is not happy about Occupy and to be aligned with a group like that can put us in hot water.

Yes CT normally votes like NY

NY my home state is supposed to be so "open to new things"

I found NY difficult to get anyone away from the whole liberal blue anything.


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gb_518

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I agree with alot of what Carlos says above, except for seeking celebrity endoresments - I don't think gaining Hollywood's support will help our cause.

Regarding Occupy - we should not look to get some kind of collective endorsement for Justice Party candidates from OWS or any other Occupy group, that's not really how they function as an organization.  However I definitely agree that we should be reaching out to member/supporters of Occupy and 99% movements to inform them about the Justice party, as we share alot of the same opinions on key issues.  

@barefoot:  "...the Gov is not happy about Occupy and to be aligned with a group like that can put us in hot water."

If this corrupt government is 'happy' with the Justice Party then we are doing something wrong; in fact I think that making both corporate duopolistic parties as unhappy as possible should be one of our 'bullet points' 
Buachaill Ceart
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I think there's a lot of common ground between the Justice Party and the Green Party, but I don't think the same can be said for the Libertarian Party.

Personally, I voted for Rocky because I believe he was the candidate with the strongest interest in social justice who had proven his integrity comprehensibly. In my mind, a progressive taxation system is fundamental to creating jobs and access to third level (and better quality first and second level) education for the poorest and most disadvantaged in our society and is therefore fundamental to social justice and social mobility.

As far as I know, Libertarianism is opposed to government taking on these responsibilities and opposed to progressive taxation. Maybe other people in the party didn't vote for Rocky for the same reasons I did, but personally I wouldn't be able to find much common political ground with the Libertarian movement.
JoshuaBudden

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Buachaill is right.   There are major differences between the Libertarian Party and the Justice Party.  Their tax plan is based on a reggressive sales tax, they would deregulate us into disaster and eleminate social programs we hold dear.  That said, I think we can work with them on some common ground.  We can work with them toward restoring certain liberties, ending wars and changing ballot access laws. 
gb_518

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The same point I made about Occupy can go towards Libertarians as well: we can reach out to members of that party to inform them of the Justice party and discuss the issues/areas in which we agree. 

I am willing to bet there are many that are not aware of the Justice party, and perhaps view the Libertarian party as the only progressive voting option with whom they can relate.
Buachaill Ceart

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Yup, I agree. There's definitely a huge number of Americans who feel disenfranchised by the system as it is and might have voted Libertarian as a protest vote.

I think another group of people the Justice Party should seek out are those who voted Democrat only so that the Republicans wouldn't get in, and aren't totally dedicated to the party. In a two-horse election, there's always quite a bit of negative voting. I think especially in this election with the abhorrent statements about rape made by the likes of Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock a lot of people who wouldn't have otherwise voted came out against the Republicans. I think if we can show these people that we're about solid progressive policies that make sense we can prove that they're not just "throwing their vote away" by voting for the Justice party.
barefootalways

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I do agree with all o you however, the occupy thing was great when it lasted but the momentum was gone because people had no new ideas. We need to come up new ideas and I think even though some other independents are closely aligned with our views we still need to keep our views separate so we can have an identity. I am not all about labels but at the end of the day someone has to identify who you are. I want to go back to an earlier point I brought up since last March when I started posting. We need to be tough and come at these corporate sickos and beat them at their game why use other people's platforms.  I don't believe occupy was that genuine.

I am a native NY City born and raised and I know NYC people some are real and some got in it for the fame and money and made me sick to my stomach seeing people make money off that and they were 10 minutes later spouting we are against greed and corporate money. What a joke!!!  I am not from  upstate. They have their issues but I think they might be easier to get the word out due to them being fed up with the republicans.

On a second note. Occupy was a great movement and some there really worked hard and I admire them. However, like the person before me said they will not endorse a candidate.

Ciao


Craig

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I would love my home state of NEW YORK TO TRULY BE FREE,LIBERAL, OPEN TO NEW IDEAS AND BE REALLY INDEPENDENT



CTJustice

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Well, I just sent an email to Laura to volunteer myself. (Background in design, marketing, community building and web technologies.)

Cheers
Carlos
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